The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. The process of reversing them is easy and straight-forward. ... obviously testing out push, pull and push/pull … I'm not planning a purely quiet build because the ambient temperature here can get pretty extreme (was 42C here the other day) and I don't want my PC to run at high temps.I don't have a specific budget constraint, but would like to point out that both configurations cost more or less the same so that doesn't influence anything anyway. When a vehicle is moving, a pusher fan can obstruct airflow due to its positioning in front of the radiator. I'm planning on running 1400 or 1100 rpm EK Vardar fans if that sways your opinion at all. The former has two active drivers that are motivated by direct amplification, while the latter has but one that is. For the front you can go push or pull, whatever you think looks better. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. Electrical fans can either push air through the radiator or pull air through it. Push or pull makes no difference for the radiator. Even quiet fans like GTs or Vardars still make some noise. Since most AIOs these days are between 25mm and 30mm, I would really just stick with the two best fans instead of trying to mount all four. If anyone has a Coolermaster Masterliquid 240... Are you getting weird bubble sounds sometimes? One fan pulling air out of the case at the back. From working on high performance cars for over a decade, I can say without a doubt that there is a benefit to a push/pull configuration. From googling I can't find any solution except lowering the hoses. There's no clear answer on this stuff, and the reason for the topic :). Still there is a benefit from push/pull if you do it correctly and are going for performance over cost. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Other than regurgitating the information you've read, have you actually ran tests of your own? Not sure and no longer have the time to test either. If it ever does make excessive noise, undo the water block, put it limp below the rad, then get a psu self tester and use it to jump the pc with only the aio connected, give it 5, then put it back together, it cycles the air out. 30-40% on Push vs 85%+ on Push/Pull. Given that a static pressure fan runs around $20 a piece, it's up to you to determine if the relative cost versus the performance increase are worth it. much easier to clean, and the same performance. Video explaining why push/pull isn't necessary and pretty much just makes your case louder. My apologies. "Push" vs "Pull", radiator airflow configurations. Pushing or blowing against itself, or the natural flow of air through the engine compartment is … Many Flex-a-lite electric fans can be reversed, so they can be used as either a pusher fan (an auxiliary fan mounted to the front of the radiator) or a puller fan (primary cooling fan, mounted behind the radiator). You've also got to consider how much heat you're trying to cool. We hope to help you decide what kind of setup is right for you and to show the benefits of each. What would you guys recommend? Why? 3x Fans (45 Euro) + 1x 60mm Rad (97 Euro) = 142 Euro. Always use the right shroud with your fan. If you've got a massively OC'd i7 and dual 290xs, then you're looking at a completely different amount of heat. I was wondering if that was a viable choice. Linus makes a great point about pressurized fans. Time to continue the story about radiators for liquid cooling. To say that anything that improves the performance of another component is a waste, not worth it, too expensive, etc is just bad advice. Share Followers 2 "Push" vs "Pull", radiator airflow configurations. Which do I recommend? Thank you all for your replies. Preference should be given to a "pull" vs. a "push" fan. Almost like there's air somewhere? Now if the rad is like an DD extreme, or similiar, then I wouldn't be doing anything other then a push and pull … Temperature-wise, I think it benefits. This way we can assess whether fan configuration makes much difference whether you are using a radiator or a more typical heatsink tower. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the pcmasterrace community. Today we address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they affect different radiators and performance. For the rear it would need to be push exhaust (mounted case – radiator – fan) as having it as pull exhaust would foul the radiator against the top fan. A pull configuration mean less dust on the radiator, and more air flowing pulled out threw it, that being pushed out threw it. Testing push vs pull vs push/pull” net, “Push or pull air across radiator fins?” Tom’s Hardware, “Liquid cooling – should it pull the air INTO the case or push out?” Tech Radar, “PC cooling mythbusting with Corsair’s fan and PC case experts” Ars Technica, “Push vs pull cooling” Ascend to... the PC Master Race. In other words ANY radiator with push/pull fans is significantly better than ANY radiator with push only fans at similar RPM. Pics would be appreciated? Also, if you will have 10 fans in the PC, that might be a complication : noise-wise and powering them all. The two promotional strategy which is applied to get the product to the target market is Push and Pull Strategy. 6700K + 1080Ti. So, if you want optimal overall temps, you should give your radiator fresh air. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyC3lZ5WFMk&feature=youtu.be&t=2m49s. I went with it up top pulling out of case to keep it cleaner, no doubt in the front it'd be much dirtier. The GTS didn't scale all that well until push/pull 2500+ RPM, and if you can fit push/pull, you can fit a larger radiator with one set of fans. And honestly, you get some pretty big diminishing returns when you do push/pull unless you are using a thick radiator (50mm +). Press J to jump to the feed. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. The original article is comparing static pressure fans in push/pull with basically case fans in push. hey guys setting up my first watercooled rig just had a question. Push means air goes fan -> radiator, pull means air goes radiator -> fan. I'll build a small circuit to reverse the direction of the fan every few minutes for 20 seconds or so to clear the grass anyway. Almost no dust on radiator or fans on them. Would like a performance/quiet balance. Honestly though, the Shuttle setup works fine (I have a … i would go for the quiet edition just because its such a huge improvement in noise but keeping the same relative performance as fans spinning at 2700rpm (the quiet spins at 1450 rpm). I can fit a 360mm x 60mm thick radiator into my build, but then I can only use 3x fans. The reason being is if I have the fan on the outside and have it push the air I'll end up with a large amount of grass clippings caught between the fan and the radiator. The two types of strategies differ, in the way consumers are approached. Push Pull is going to give you better performance, but cost and noise is a factor. An interesting mod to a Shuttle would be to move the fan outside the radiator (sucking vs blowing) and see what effect it had. Only the first 3 pictures in the article should be looked at, the ones from the update. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, 1700 3.9 / 3200 16-17-17-30 1T / 480 1370 MHz, i7-6700k | Maximus VIII Hero Alpha | Strix OC 1080 Ti | 32 DDR4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38. I went with front mounted radiator, fans pulling air through it to case. Using radiator as intake on the other hand hardly effects GPU temps in game. my case is rather small, it'd be hard to fit the radiator on top, the manual says it's recommended to do it that way. Because that's what the manual says :/. The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. Pic: https://i.imgur.com/TPoN3ih.jpg (Front-radiator, pull config). Not likely. I'm not planning for pure performance (high rpm fans), because the PC is in my living room and the noise would drive me nuts. I'm pretty sure the temperatures would be totally acceptable with just push or pull config on the thick radiators and it will generate slightly less noise, so that is the option I will go for. Find out what fan configuration is best for cooling down your radiator. Hmm, I just used the front because of the Bitwit video and the 10-degree difference. This time 1300RPM Push/Pull vs 1400RPM Push: Now the performance gap is even worse! We have shown how two of the most popular radiator sizes (120 and 140mm), … a thicker radiator would perform better. TONS of people have asked me about fan configurations for radiators and heatsinks. While in Push strategy, the idea is to push the company’s product onto customers by making them aware of it, at the point of purchase.Pull strategy, relies on the notion, “to get the customers come to you”. Have at it. But he didn't have a vent where it was pulling air from. Because dust-management is easier. Martinm210 says: November 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm. Which is it, what do you prefer and why? You don't know that at all. Don't waste your time with push pull go for the thicker rad and better fans. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. 41 members have voted. EDIT: Please only take into consideration the first three pictures. When you have a push config, the dust ends up between the radiator and fan. Fans move air through the radiator assisting in cooling the engine. However, in this LTT video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38 They come to the conclusion of using pull configuration with the radiator at the top of the case. To clean it you have to take the fans off. There's really no correlation between push/pull and a passive radiator design. In the video he gets the best results from front mounted radiator and fans in a push configuration. I see you throwing this around constantly like it's gospel. 6700K + 1080Ti. I have a similar restriction in my case where the front can only be mounted one way but the top can be either. Push pull is also not an option for me. However, my case Phanteks P400 might be too small for that. Note: by exhaust I do not mean putting them below the radiator and then pushing air from the bottom of the rad to the outside of the case (there is no room to do this). Mounted on the engine side of the radiator, a pull fan does not interfere with airflow at highway speeds. Push, pull, or push/pull? A moderate number of fins (15-20) will scale better into 2000 RPM than a 32 FPI design. Welcome to the official subreddit of the PC Master Race. Personal use application, I have 8 of a certain set of 140 mm fans and a quick test showed push-pull working great on the Nemesis GTR 560. Part 2 clarified things about radiator performance, how radiator performance is expressed and how do we read radiator performance charts. Generally the push fans are high static pressure (usually 3-pin DC). Linustectips clearly reccomends a pull configuration. 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. If you want quiet, go with less fans (less fans = less noise. A puller fan on the other hand sits right behind the radiator. 6x Fans (90 Euro) + 1x 38mm Rad (64 Euro) = 154 Euro. Which airflow configuration do you most commonly use for any radiator? However, yeah. Anyway. I was wondering what the delta would be in a push pull setup on a 240mm radiator using 4x 120 SP vs 2x 120 SP push fans and 2x 140 mm A pull fans. I use push and pull config as an exhaust in the back with my h80i v2. By EnergyEclipse March 31, 2017 in Custom Loop and Exotic Cooling. I was wondering if switching those rad fans to exhaust (pulling air through the radiator) would have a major impact on performance. There's a number of factors in this calculation. That way i can keep all the sound dampening panels closed on my fractal design define r5. I earned 2-3 degrees with push-pull on my Kraken, but it all depends if you really need this. My Corsair H100i V2 is on the front and push configuration. Alternatively, I'd can go for a 360mm x 26mm thinner radiator with 6x fans. 3. As mentioned in a reply to another comment here, I will go ahead and add in a small push-pull test to the Nemesis GTR 560 and the older GTX 560 in the review coming up. The original article as some inconsistencies and is bias. A pull set-up is Infact the most effective. Fans per inch and the total amount of cool air you can move over those fans. 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. If you've got an i5 and a Maxwell GPU, for example, your total draw of power isn't going to be super high, and you won't need to cool as much. When you have a pull config you get dust on the opposite side of the radiator from the fans. 6600K + 1060. We continue our guides that show differences in radiator performance depending on the speed of the fans, thickness, and FPI of radiators etc. A thick rad in pull -I prefer pull for easy cleaning- is better, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the watercooling community, Press J to jump to the feed. All shrouded fans should be on the engine side of the radiator. In a car (not all, but most), the fan is located behind the radiator and PULLS air from the radiator. Ascend to a level that respects your eyes, your wallet, your mind, and your heart. Since space is a concern in this case, I would recommend a larger radiator with three fans over a smaller radiator with six fans. I'd go with the thicker radiator in pull. push-pull gives no real gains. This should be the top post. Driving 3-4 fans off one MB header-> please check your MB product page/manual. Reason being, there isn't enough flow resistance to effect air movement. When the car is in motion, the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration. P.S. I have a PC 011 Dynamic case with Hardware Labs GTX for top and a L Series stealth … Not sure if it makes a big difference. I want to set the top radiator as intake and on pull. Every intake is covered with dust filter and positive airflow keeps dust out pretty effectively. In this subreddit, we celebrate and promote the ultimate gaming and working platform. The key is to find the correct ratio between the 'push' and 'pull' fans. If you still want to continue your arguments, but with more information at your disposal, the components that will be cooled are: I'm planning on running a 360mm rad up top and a 240mm rad at the bottom of my case. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. Push vs Pull. The Kukri fans even have an RPM advantage here. So Bitwit posted a video where he tested AIO radiator position and temperatures here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves. Completely biased and unfair towards the push. Let’s double check that at medium fan speeds. The pull is where it's mounted behind the radiator (usual position) and pulls air through the radiator and exhausts the air across the engine compartment. Exhausting air form inside the case through a radiator may give you a few degrees higher CPU temp in games because GPU makes a lot of hot air. maybe get better fans like the corsair sp120's either quiet or performance edition depending on your preference of noise level. A pusher fan sits in front of the radiator. 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